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PostSubject: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:34 pm


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Boba Fett discrepancies between Old Trilogy and Now
The Open Seasons comic book
Why my friend Matt and I should be Lucas's EU liaisons

This is a re-hash of a conversation I had with my buddy Matt, who loves the Star Wars. Boba Fett has been his favorite character since he came out of the womb. Naturally, when the new trilogy came out and we find out that Boba Fett is a clone, the character's background was altered.

So everyone's pissed about it. I believe somewhere it was written that Boba Fett was known as Jaster Mereel before he was known as Boba Fett, and fans were mad when in Attack of the Clones, Jango calls his son "Boba Fett." But it would make so much sense if Jango called his son Jaster Mereel after his mentor in Open Seasons!

I guess we can't expect Lucas to know everything about the EU. That would be an impossible feat. But it would be nice if he would listen when someone who's accumulating money for him made a great tie-in for EU stuff. Open Seasons was written around the time of Attack of the Clones anyway!

What George should do with his disgusting amounts of money is hire an EU expert to help him keep track of everything. Maybe he'll hire one of us.

Note: The real mystique to this post is the awesome Holiday Special picture.

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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:54 am

I loved pre-AOTC Boba Fett. I could spend days reading Boba fanfics and thinking he was the height of awesomeness at every moment of his life. Of course that meant he was never a kid - ever. He would be human at times but those aren't things that concern us. I was okay with not knowing his face because then he could be my dream man. Actually, this was his face: T

I think Lucas did what he had to do, and following simple chronology rules Boba was supposed to be a kid at that time. He needed to be in the Prequels since so many fans wanted to see some Fett on screen and he made Boba's "father"... I liked Jango but his death was retarded.

Jango didn't need to die. He could have just vanished for some reason! Or turned into some kind of asshole that would abandon his kid in a battlefied. BOBA ISN'T EVEN ANYBODY'S SON - HE'S JUST A CLONE.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:40 pm

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I loved pre-AOTC Boba Fett. I could spend days reading Boba fanfics and thinking he was the height of awesomeness at every moment of his life. Of course that meant he was never a kid - ever. He would be human at times but those aren't things that concern us. I was okay with not knowing his face because then he could be my dream man. Actually, this was his face: T

I think Lucas did what he had to do, and following simple chronology rules Boba was supposed to be a kid at that time. He needed to be in the Prequels since so many fans wanted to see some Fett on screen and he made Boba's "father"... I liked Jango but his death was retarded.

Jango didn't need to die. He could have just vanished for some reason! Or turned into some kind of asshole that would abandon his kid in a battlefied. BOBA ISN'T EVEN ANYBODY'S SON - HE'S JUST A CLONE.

LOL tell Boba that!!! he thinks otherwise Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:10 pm

The way we as people have long been for adoption of children not even of the same race as the parent I can't see how having your exact genetic self as a son could be any less of a parenthood - a clone of you is even more related to you than your own pa or ma.

But hey - perhaps Boba was someone Jaster spoke highly of to Jango we don't know about. Perhaps it was Jaster's own alias. We don't know, but that doesn't mean that couldn't be the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:50 pm

My theory is that George killed Jango the way he did so as to squash any efforts by fans to revive him (like the way Boba was revived from the sarlaac pit).
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:54 pm

That actually makes sense. For the longest of times it has always seemed that Lucas detests the fact that some minor character he made became IMO much more popular than Luke or others like that. So he is doing all he can to sabotage Boba's success. Which to me is extremely stupid. I'm sure if you actually focused on Boba for something, there would be some fair revenue. So that might explain why Boba has finally come into something besides the movies (the upcoming live action series).
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:28 pm

My guess is that he resents the fact that people see Star Wars in the way we do, because after all he did want to revive Flash Gordon but couldn't get the rights to. If he had managed to get the rights, we wouldn't have Star Wars. So my guess is that he wants us to see Luke as a hero type in the same manner as Flash Gordon is in those stories, and the three secondary characters as the support cast. Then the villains are just villains, unless they are ex-heroes. But that's only my guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:55 pm

Going of topic a wee bit, but just in reference to Catika’s comment about open seasons.
You see jango’s father at the start of the story and he states that Jaster Mereel is no longer around and that he is the Journey man protector on Concord Dawn now. Later on when you see Jango remove Jaster’s bucket as he dies…. Is it just me or are they very similar looking? Is Jaster Boba’s Uncle?
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:36 am

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Is Jaster Boba’s Uncle?

Huh, strange things happen, especially in a society that doesn't care much about one's parentage. =)


As for why Jango had to die and why Boba is a clone - that's not that compicated. Boba Fett has become a hero of the epic, and Lukas has to deal with it. According to the rules of the epics, a hero must have a VERY unusual story of birth and must have a matter of revenge or something very traumitizing about his childhood. Sooo... here we go, a clone and an orphan with a grudge against the Jedi.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:42 am

Jodo Kam wrote:
Is it just me or are they very similar looking? Is Jaster Boba’s Uncle?

They ARE very similar I noticed that as well...it could be an artist fluke, but if he was was Boba's uncle, that would explain a lot of things...

...like why Jango's father was willing to give him shelter even though it put his family ar risk, why jaster decided to take him in as a successor, why Montross disliked him so much, and why all the mando were willing to follow him.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:58 pm

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Jodo Kam wrote:
Is it just me or are they very similar looking? Is Jaster Boba’s Uncle?

They ARE very similar I noticed that as well...it could be an artist fluke, but if he was was Boba's uncle, that would explain a lot of things...

...like why Jango's father was willing to give him shelter even though it put his family ar risk, why jaster decided to take him in as a successor, why Montross disliked him so much, and why all the mando were willing to follow him.

I don't think that makes sense at all. Razz

Jaster decided to take Jango in as his son and successor because Jango had "the right stuff." Mandokarla, as it is in Mando'a. Montross (Or do you mean Viszla?) disliked Jaster (Or here did you mean Jango?) so much because Montross was a Death Watch, and Jaster was a 'True Mandalorian' that wanted a reform of Mandalorian society. The Mandos were willing to follow Jango, I believe, because Jaster had trained him so well. He was young, but still a strong (maybe wise?) warrior.

Also, if Jaster were Boba's Uncle, you'd think it'd have been mentioned to him sometime. Boba knew about Jaster; Jango had told Boba stories about him, and it's said (Ret-con time...) that Boba had masqueraded as Jaster Mereel later in his life (Pre-ANH I believe).

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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:28 am

Ah, Montoss was Jaster's second in command....sleeveless dude? silver and blue theme?

Yeah, but your forgetting that theres a good 15 or so years in-between Jaster picking up jango, and jaster dying...so we skipped over a lot. Plus, it wasn't jango telling the story at that point, it was one of his old friends. So if Jango was related to Jaster, his friend wouldn't nessesarially know that.

We ment Jaster was Jango's uncle...not boba's Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:39 am

This might clarify a few things, but all is my own personal view, so of course not necessarily canon in some parts. :p


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Jango didn't need to die. He could have just vanished for some reason! Or turned into some kind of asshole that would abandon his kid in a battlefied.

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My theory is that George killed Jango the way he did so as to squash any efforts by fans to revive him (like the way Boba was revived from the sarlaac pit).

I think Jango needed to die, especially the way he did (violent and pointless) in order for Boba to grow into the awesome killer he is. If you think about it, Windu just got lucky, if he hadn't been trampled by the Reek, damaging his jetpack and possibly causing some serious internal injury, Jango could have very well kicked his Jedi ass.
In my view, Boba grew to become ruthless because of that experience, and he was not as "sheltered" by a "family" that took care of him growing up, while Jango had that kind of nurturing. If Jango would have lived, he would have given him that same care, possibly stunting his ruthlessness.


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So everyone's pissed about it. I believe somewhere it was written that Boba Fett was known as Jaster Mereel before he was known as Boba Fett, and fans were mad when in Attack of the Clones, Jango calls his son "Boba Fett." But it would make so much sense if Jango called his son Jaster Mereel after his mentor in Open Seasons!

Both versions are not mutually exclusive. Boba could be an alias used previously by Jaster, and Jaster could be an alias used by Boba later on as an adult, inspired by stories told to him by Jango.


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Jango had told Boba stories about him, and it's said (Ret-con time...) that Boba had masqueraded as Jaster Mereel later in his life (Pre-ANH I believe).

Unsure about the pre-ANH period, but canon soon after his escape from the Sarlacc, this has been touched on in "Twin Engines of Destruction" where Boba pretends to hire Jodo Kast as Jaster Mereel, in order to kick his ass.


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You see jango’s father at the start of the story and he states that Jaster Mereel is no longer around and that he is the Journey man protector on Concord Dawn now. Later on when you see Jango remove Jaster’s bucket as he dies…. Is it just me or are they very similar looking? Is Jaster Boba’s Uncle?

I'd say artist fluke/lack of variety, as Pheonix023 said. The story clearly states that Jango is adopted into Jaster's clan as his own son. Jaster therefore cannot be Boba's uncle but rather his adopted grandfather. If you meant Jaster was Jango's uncle, that's left to conjecture since he adopted him as his son, why not tell Jango he is his nephew?


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Ah, Montoss was Jaster's second in command....sleeveless dude? silver and blue theme?

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that would explain a lot of things...

...like why Jango's father was willing to give him shelter even though it put his family ar risk, why jaster decided to take him in as a successor, why Montross disliked him so much, and why all the mando were willing to follow him.

Montross was a dick, and let Jaster die when he could have saved him, expecting that the clan would pick him as his successor. The clan knew he was a douche though, so that's why everyone preferred to side with Jango and expelled his ass from the clan.

There you go. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:54 am

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I'd say artist fluke/lack of variety, as Pheonix023 said. The story clearly states that Jango is adopted into Jaster's clan as his own son. Jaster therefore cannot be Boba's uncle but rather his adopted grandfather. If you meant Jaster was Jango's uncle, that's left to conjecture since he adopted him as his son, why not tell Jango he is his nephew?

The point I was bringing up was is Jaster Jango’s uncle.

My view is based on two points the first is to tie it in with an older story in Tales of the bounty hunters (The last one standing by Daniel Keys Moran). This was the first major back story I can remember for Boba(aka Jaster Mereel) and it has him reminiscing about his time as a Journey man protector and his being exiled from Concord Dawn. So rather than bin this whole history they have cut & paste it back into the changes the movie time line has brought up. So they crate a new character Jaster Mereel and in a round about way making him Jango’s Uncle and Boba’s Great Uncle.

My Second point is also just my view in Open seasons Jaster doe’s not tell Jango he’s his uncle because (and I get this from The Last one standing) he has brought shame to the family because of his exiled and with him going back to his brothers farm who is now doing Jaster old job and got Jango’s mother and father killed so rather than dragging up a whole load of history he just started fresh say nothing and adopt Jango.

Few it makes a good soap opera.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Mon May 04, 2009 7:48 am

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commander-13 wrote:
Few it makes a good soap opera.

Indeed. Very Happy

Kinda like the old joke:

What military drama followes the story of a burn victim and his two estranged children as they try to come to terms with their tragic past?

Star Wars.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Mon May 04, 2009 12:41 pm

I think, on the subject of Jaster looking like Jango, that since Concord Dawn is a small frontier world then it could be likely the settlers made an ethnic type of it's own through relative isolation. Jango and Jaster both have brown eyes, dark hair and similarily tanned skin but other than that they're not that alike - and both hail from Concord Dawn.

Montross wasn't a Death Watchman, he was in Jaster's lot but was a coward.

Do we know Jango's fathers name? Could be Boba. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Tue May 12, 2009 5:51 am

Catika wrote:
This is a re-hash of a conversation I had with my buddy Matt, who loves the Star Wars. Boba Fett has been his favorite character since he came out of the womb. Naturally, when the new trilogy came out and we find out that Boba Fett is a clone, the character's background was altered.

So everyone's pissed about it. I believe somewhere it was written that Boba Fett was known as Jaster Mereel before he was known as Boba Fett, and fans were mad when in Attack of the Clones, Jango calls his son "Boba Fett." But it would make so much sense if Jango called his son Jaster Mereel after his mentor in Open Seasons!

I guess we can't expect Lucas to know everything about the EU. That would be an impossible feat. But it would be nice if he would listen when someone who's accumulating money for him made a great tie-in for EU stuff. Open Seasons was written around the time of Attack of the Clones anyway!

What George should do with his disgusting amounts of money is hire an EU expert to help him keep track of everything. Maybe he'll hire one of us.


They have EU experts, everything has to go through an approval process.....now. Back when Empire was coming out and the phenom was starting, EU was only unauthorized fanfic with no realy means of getting out aside from dank basement round tables. You're also going from Boba 10 to Boba 34-36ish, mind you I'm only talking about the movies. Everything else exists only if Lucas says so. As for why calling him Boba Fett in Episode II that's easy...that's his name! Why would any parent give thier kid another name other than the family name?? Family names are important to any culture. I remember reading the Jaster theory back when I was middle school some 15 years ago. Or reading the first certified EU book in high school. At this time. there are only TWO sources outside of the movies that are considered 'in-cannon' Shadows of the Empire, and The Force Unleashed...neither are really helpful in this topic.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett: Why, George? WHY?   Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:35 am

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Im researching Jaster as im working on a Jaster costume, its very simple guys, Jaster saved Jango from a Mando attach on his homestead, after Jesters death, Jango used Jasters name as an alias and even named his ship, which was Jasters, Jasters Legacy, Boba followed Jangos use of Jasters name as an alias which gave rise to the belief that Jaster was still alive. So in short, Boba was always Boba, he just used Jaster as an alias

thats the reworking justification to make sense of it all, however at the individual time of publishing they where just inconsistant.
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