New Mandalore on SW:TOR

Found here

also join me in complaining about his lack of visor here

WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN?

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Erm, is it just me or is this guy not as cool as Canderous? And how did the mandalorians forget Revan/Canderous and their aid of the republic *against* the Sith? It's only 300 years. That's like nothing in Star Wars time.

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(Sorry. Don't mean to insult anyone, but if I'm gonna play a mandalorian I don't really want to follow a... erm, arrogant asshat, no matter how tough he is.)

I just don't like how small his head looks.

And usually a Mandalore is chosen and not self-proclaimed.

Okay, HATERS, did you all not see him with his shirt off?

:p

While there are some glaring problems, I'm pretty much okay with this. You have to give the writers some credit because, let's face it, trying to please every single EU fandom would require the research and brainpower of someone trying to understand quantum physics. They're not going to hit every little detail, like how Mandalores are not "self-proclaimed," but overall they captured the culture and mindset of Mandalorians really damn well.

I dont like the look at all really. I also dont like that he was, or called himself, mand'alor while fighting for show in a duel ring. The leads me to believe that he A) hadnt earned the role yet, or B) disgraced the role by fighting in noob rings.

Lets just say he's a mondo douche bag and leave it at that... The only way it would be even partially acceptable to other mando's for him to proclaim himself mandalore is if he was the most worthy which is something that would be hard to prov in some osik'la arena in the shabs end of the galaxy, and if he were a mando already! Which judging by the fact that he was fighting with out armour on his torso and he has no visor in his helmet, which is practically THE defining aspect of mando armour! Therefore I shall label him as a poser, and almight douche! THE END

Tracyn

Just as a note, roughly 90% of all of history's great leaders were douchebag posers at one point or another. But if they can get their people to rally behind them (or scare the people into following them, whatever), then the douchebag poser gains power. Not every Mand'alor is going to be a shiny, all-Mandalorian superstar with the perfect history, ideals, and... attire. That would just be boring. This Mand'alor brought up a game plan that the rest of the Mandalorians agreed to. If there was a worthier Mand'alor in the ranks at the time of the "self-proclamation," I'm sure he/she would have stepped up.

And HELLO? Were we not just complaining for 400 years about how stupid we think the Mandalorian Neo-Crusader visors are, and now when a dude isn't wearing one, we continue to complain? I know, it's really not smart to go into battle without a visor, but I'm just saying.

Speculation: this douchebag poser Mandalore is trying out a bigger window in his helmet with which to put a visor. Or it was a simple design flaw of the artist so that us fans could see his face.

What I want to know is when there's gonna be a female Mand'alor. Now THERE'S something to complain about.

nooo whyyyyy whyyyyyyy!!!

They should have resurrected Canderous from the dead his mere presence would have crushed this self proclaimed mind controlling.....errr dikut'la into pulp!

Anyways I'd rather have the old KOTOR helms than this guy or the original mandalore helmet that Canderous had what about that pfffft...
I know it is proabably hard and all but honestly if they were truly dedicated at research and all they would have found the true mandalore and got it all right...wouldn't they?

I so wanna Team Kill this guy....

It's like having some random dude come in and say I'm gonna be the new chanceller of the Republic so stuff you....I highly doubt even non mandos would stand for that...it must be some mind control device that he is using...

From from the perspective of an outsider who's not following the lore on this game, I watched the visuals in the video at the top of the thread, but I didn't have the sound on.

It seems that for whatever reason, this rendition of the Mandalorian culture in this timeframe is backtracking to the original conceptual ideas that the Mandalorians are based off the ancient Roman culture.

I guess when LucasArts worked on this, they never bothered to read the Traviss interview that her rendition of the Mandalorians is based of the Celts.

At least that's the impression I get off the bare-chested visual and the visor-less helmet. That's pretty consistent with the Roman culture.

Like I said, I'm not following this very closely, but I'm disappointed that LucasArts seems to have gone Roman rather than Celt. I much prefer the Celtic mirroring of the Mandalorians.

Okay, thread goes back to all of you!

I think that's a great observation, Mara, and I would agree. And while it is a digression from the Celtic path that KT took, I would also like to speculate that the Mandalorians are allowed to evolve in their culture and aesthetic styles. I mean, only a little over a century ago men wore ascotts and dress coats and top hats and women wore corsets and hoop skirts, and even in the past decades there have been pretty dramatic changes in clothing/hairstyles and all of that.

It may not be too big of a stretch to say that over 3,000 years the Mandos went from a Roman culture to a Celtic one--I mean, humans did it in 1,000 years, right? Moving from a feudal society to non-feudal societies? It's an interesting and not all wrong comparison to make--Mandos and Romans. Trying to conquer, breeding soldiers, all of that.

I chronically want to stab in the face the non-hardcore people who play, discuss, develop and draw concept art for the KoTOR games.

It's obvious for us that knowing everything and anything about Star Wars is necessary in order to produce something with the Lucasfilm logo on it. But it was proven to us time after time that people get hired for their skills and not how much they love SW. Karen Traviss wasn't even a fan herself when she was picked to write Hard Contact and look what she gave us.

Now I'm not saying that we should worship the devs and writers behind TOR because they're going to make new "mando lore". Like Catika expressed it, they're taking some liberties regarding continuation, those easily explained by culture evolution thanks to the convenient 3000 year time lapse.

Star Wars now is not a single chronological time line with a succession of events, I think it's a tree.

Made this very quickly just so you can see how I visualize the whole continuation thing.

Those are all very valid points, I was just hilighting it's lack of staying true to how KOTOR portrayed it's mandalorians also as that was the time period isn't it? The Jedi civil war...and then wouldn't the Mandalore of that time have donned the former Mandalore's armor as Canderous had?

Cause that's the impression I had from the trailers, correct me if I'm wrong and I am sorry if I am but that's just what I had thought.

It all depends really, the first few Mand'alor passed the Mask along but at some point in time that was given up. As neither Jaster, Jango, Fenn, or Boba wore anything in commen (except Boba but that wasnt related). Who knows when and why the tradition stopped, and whos not to say its pre SW:TOR times.

Theres one scene that mentioned Mand'alors of the past and scrolls up 4 figures along the right side. This leads me to believe that Bioware has also taken the libirty of putting faces between Canderous and "new guy". None however are wearing the mask.

While a warrior is more then his/her armor it is still a trademark of a Mandalorian. I take the saying as they dont need it to be usefull, not as an excuse to not wear it.


oh and to add, I have some "inside connections" who told me outright if you dont like it voice your opinions. If enough is said in the design phase Bioware isnt above listening (like other companies). Thats why I made my "needs visor" thread. So Flame away on the SW:TOR forums and send all the angry emails you want heck send in your own concept art and show them where they went wrong.

Just throwing two more Credits into this...

Catika's Post:

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I would also like to speculate that the Mandalorians are allowed to evolve in their culture and aesthetic styles. I mean, only a little over a century ago men wore ascotts and dress coats and top hats and women wore corsets and hoop skirts, and even in the past decades there have been pretty dramatic changes in clothing/hairstyles and all of that.

I think Catika makes a great point regarding the evolution of society and that is a theory I can admit that I overlooked. I do certainly agree that it's possible the Mandalorians were more Roman-esque once upon a time, but as their culture and they evolved, they changed not only their clothing but their mindset on their existence.

Daennika's Post:

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Star Wars now is not a single chronological time line with a succession of events, I think it's a tree.

Excellent point, too! Taking an overall view of Star Wars, I think the "tree" is a perfect representation of how everything branches out but follows nothing consistent to be considered chronological. Thanks for this concept as well. The Star Wars universe makes much more sense seeing it visually this way, and I no longer have to drive myself nuts with trying to understand continuity that seems non-existent.

As much as I find their concept of Mandalore a bit silly, I must say there was something in that video that made me smile. And that was the kid in armor during some kind of training session. There are like no pictures out there of Mando kids.

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theres one of the blonde kid learning to shoot his rifle.

I really like that they have gone and connected the dots and including the stuff from all the material that came before, and also connected in Traviss' stuff. I mean, he almost mentions the Resol'nare there in the video, saying that after Mandalore's call came the leaderless Mandalorian mercenaries rallied on his side.

About the issue of them not having a leader since Canderous, and this one not donning the mask, is exactly true to the chronology. Canderous claimed the title, but was not really successful in rallying all the Mando'ade. Some form of successors might have come and claimed the title (perhaps one of those guys with the strange helmets, perhaps one of them is Kelborn ), but the rest of the Mandalorians continued to be mercenaries and preferring not to be accountable to a Mandalore. And the individualistic styles of these new ones recalls in my mind the Insider article from 2005 or something by Abel Pena, where it was said that the mercenaries sported hodge-podge armours from everywhere in their history. And the Roman esque look is what a lot of the pre-Kotor Crusaders wore. Which is great, because I thought Bioware was going to reintroduce the uniformality of the Kotor Mandies.

Anyone else see the modern-looking chest plate on one of those bug-eyed alien-mandos?