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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:24 pm

Dose, I was going to make that same point (without having seen the series save for maybe two episodes Razz ), but since you beat me to the punch, I'll elaborate...

    There is no emotion; there is peace.
    There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
    There is no passion; there is serenity.
    There is no chaos; there is harmony.
    There is no death; there is the Force.
    — The Jedi Code

Right there, two of the rules Jedi live and are raised by are "do not feel emotions" and "even more specifically, do not feel passion (be it positive or negative)." This is one of the (many) big reasons a couple people I know (Kyr'ika and myself, a few others I'm sure) cannot stand Jedi; they're so restrictive on personal matters like that. Yeah, sure, if you don't have any self-control at all and decide to go out for revenge and let that feeling take over, you could go Dark Side...but instead of letting that small chance for the people they take in to do it slip by, they beat it into the heads of infants that they kidnap from their parents (no ifs, ands, or buts about the baby stealing, folks!) that they must be emotionless Jedi robots and do as they say. They strip away a lot of what makes people be people, without batting an eye, and don't consider just working harder on teaching self-control and self-awareness, so you can catch yourself when you do dangerous things.

This is where the handful I know of diverged off to Mandalorians; they care about their family (no matter who or what their family is), they teach each other with love and affection (generally), they don't force their children to grow up lacking the ability to care about other people and avenge them should it be deemed necessary, and if there is any baby-napping, it was inevitable because they killed the rest of the kid's family so they take it in to give the kid a better chance of surviving. Razz

...Wait, what were we on about? I somehow turned this into an anti-Jedi rant. XD Let's see...Oh, yeah. That bit you didn't like about how that Jedi acted was just how Jedi are, because they're a bunch of emotionless di'kute (oho, a potential chance to check your Mando'a dictionary, Mantis! Wink ). I figure they probably put the Jedi Code into the stuff they essentially programmed into the Clones, which could be tied into the thing in RepCom about disobedient Clones that showed too much individuality (which can be tied to emotions!) were "reformed" or whatever they called it...and it would explain why most of the clones don't flip out when their brother dies. Not visibly, anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:59 pm

I see... wow... I think I've just witnessed the smashing of part of my childhood... kriffing glowbat ninjas betrayed me

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because they're a bunch of emotionless di'kute (oho, a potential chance to check your Mando'a dictionary, Mantis! ).
please, isn't it a rule that you have to learn the bad words of a language first? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:48 pm

I'm sorry I had to crush your childhood, Mantis. I can't help the way Jedi are...they just are.

An' I figured you'd know what it meant, but...well...I don't even know any more. XD I hadn't been up long when I posted that (hooray for sleeping during daylight hours Very Happy ), and my thought processes at the time have since been lost to me.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:17 pm

Well, I'll say that I liked Clone Wars, up until I found out why Karen Traviss first stated that Imperial Commando 2 would be her last book. Now, she says that she's cancelled ImpCom2.

Mandalorians in Clone Wars will be portrayed as "long-standing pacifists", and Mandalore will be a barren, war-torn shell of a planet.

http://karentraviss.typepad.com/blog/2009/12/sooty-and-a-clean-sweep.html <--Karen's blog of the topic.

So, needless to say, Clone Wars has ruined my good Star Wars reading.

BTW, I'd like to say hi to the people I've missed during my time away, I'm sorry, I won't leave again O.0;;
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:49 pm

You know, as uber-Vulcan as the Jedi tend to be (yeesh, at least the Vulcans had an excuse), and as much flak as they get from us it may not be entirely their fault as we thought. I remember several discussions on Spacebattles.com where the topic came up of the Force itself being the real source of all the trouble in the SW galaxy. Think about it, medi-chlorians are obviously parasitic lifeforms (". . . without them we would have no knowledge of the Force, and life could not exist."), and there's the good chance that the whole Force is nothing but a psychokinetic field and illusion created by the medi-chorlians. Which would make the Force a collection of sentient microbes, which I have to admit is actually a pretty cool idea for a villain, or an ally for that matter.

Shas Kal'Abra wrote:
Well, I'll say that I liked Clone Wars, up until I found out why Karen Traviss first stated that Imperial Commando 2 would be her last book. Now, she says that she's cancelled ImpCom2.

Mandalorians in Clone Wars will be portrayed as "long-standing pacifists", and Mandalore will be a barren, war-torn shell of a planet.

http://karentraviss.typepad.com/blog/2009/12/sooty-and-a-clean-sweep.html <--Karen's blog of the topic.

So, needless to say, Clone Wars has ruined my good Star Wars reading.

BTW, I'd like to say hi to the people I've missed during my time away, I'm sorry, I won't leave again O.0;;
. . . Say what? More accurately, excuse me?!

First of all, I can get Mandalore being portrayed as war torn, heck most of the planets in BattleTech can fall into that category easily and yet are still quite pleasant places to live on, but the entire planet being barren post apocalyptic wasteland?! For the love of all that is good in the universe, Mandalore was already established as a quite amicable place to live with a significant population way back in the 1970s with the Marvel Star Wars comic, and every showing of it in media since then has reflected that.

Second of all, the Mandalorians becoming pacifists?! There is just so many kinds of wrong with that statement, it . . . it . . . it's just . . . It throws out every piece of established canon about the Mandalorians . . . EVER!!! Dear God in Heaven, give me strength. It's like if they made Peter Parker sell his marriage to the Devil.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:16 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:15 pm

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You know, as uber-Vulcan as the Jedi tend to be (yeesh, at least the Vulcans had an excuse), and as much flak as they get from us it may not be entirely their fault as we thought. I remember several discussions on Spacebattles.com where the topic came up of the Force itself being the real source of all the trouble in the SW galaxy. Think about it, medi-chlorians are obviously parasitic lifeforms (". . . without them we would have no knowledge of the Force, and life could not exist."), and there's the good chance that the whole Force is nothing but a psychokinetic field and illusion created by the medi-chorlians. Which would make the Force a collection of sentient microbes, which I have to admit is actually a pretty cool idea for a villain, or an ally for that matter.

woah... brain explosion over here... so, to me it sounds like the "force" is what makes life exist at all which leads me to believe that "the Force" creates everything around us, like a holodeck or something. It's the whole idea that reality is just the creaion of someone's mind and all that crazy-ed up osik (b.s.)... so, being an ally with "the force" or the medi-chlorians, at least, is like being an ally with reality itself.

If I'm making any sense to anyone... you're probably crazy... but I think this would be kriffing awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:02 am

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Cody MacArthur Fett wrote:
You know, as uber-Vulcan as the Jedi tend to be (yeesh, at least the Vulcans had an excuse), and as much flak as they get from us it may not be entirely their fault as we thought. I remember several discussions on Spacebattles.com where the topic came up of the Force itself being the real source of all the trouble in the SW galaxy. Think about it, medi-chlorians are obviously parasitic lifeforms (". . . without them we would have no knowledge of the Force, and life could not exist."), and there's the good chance that the whole Force is nothing but a psychokinetic field and illusion created by the medi-chorlians. Which would make the Force a collection of sentient microbes, which I have to admit is actually a pretty cool idea for a villain, or an ally for that matter.

woah... brain explosion over here... so, to me it sounds like the "force" is what makes life exist at all which leads me to believe that "the Force" creates everything around us, like a holodeck or something. It's the whole idea that reality is just the creaion of someone's mind and all that crazy-ed up osik (b.s.)... so, being an ally with "the force" or the medi-chlorians, at least, is like being an ally with reality itself.

If I'm making any sense to anyone... you're probably crazy... but I think this would be kriffing awesome.

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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:38 am

Hey look what I found

The Mandalore Plot
Air Date: Friday, January 29, 2010 on TOON

Categories:
Series - Action/Adventure
General - Action/Adventure

found here: http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/star-wars-the-clone-wars/the-mandalore-plot/

is msn a legit source? theres a storyline on wiki already but Im gonna see if I can find a better source before beinging it here.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:59 am

Very nice find, Dose! Let's hope it's sooner than that, then we can program our TV viewing time.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:24 pm

now apparently the storyline is this:

A delicate mission is being entrusted to Obi-Wan: he has to examine rumors according to which the neutral duchess Satine of Mandalore is secretly building a Separatist force. If this should be proven to be true, it would be a terrible finding for the Jedi. He knows Satine very well. Since their youth, between those two exists a close relation. Once, the beautiful duchess gave him her heart.

which is apparently announced here:
http://www.prosieben.de/tv-programm/

I am however unable to read German, so I cant find it... nor be able to read it if I did... The translation process however would explain the lacking sentence structure Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:26 pm

I can't figure out a way for a Jedi Knight to be "close" to a person not living in Coruscant for a certain period of time and somehow have that closeness persist decades later on.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:11 am

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I can't figure out a way for a Jedi Knight to be "close" to a person not living in Coruscant for a certain period of time and somehow have that closeness persist decades later on.

bow chicka bow wow? king
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:55 am

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I can't figure out a way for a Jedi Knight to be "close" to a person not living in Coruscant for a certain period of time and somehow have that closeness persist decades later on.

with Hawt sexually-loaded e-mails??Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:31 pm

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Daennika wrote:
I can't figure out a way for a Jedi Knight to be "close" to a person not living in Coruscant for a certain period of time and somehow have that closeness persist decades later on.

with Hawt sexually-loaded e-mails??Razz

They met threw the Holo-net chat "La Lanterne Rouge" XD
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:15 pm

Okay, I just found my reason to pick up Season 2 of The Clone Wars when it's released on DVD.

Cut Luquaine!!!

He's definitely a Mando as far as I'm concerned, and he reminds me quite a bit of Mel Gibson's character, Benjamin Martin, from The Patriot (including the tied back hair).

Exiting Fan Girl mode now...

Carry on with your Obi-Wan/Satine debates. Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:17 pm

All right the two episodes aired and... first one got me excited up to the point where Grievous has to escape... and no Jedi were injured only clones got killed. Boring fights btw

but for a moment there, I really thought Grievous had stuck one up Obiwan and Skywalker. Too bad it didn't last long.

Then the second episode... well THAT one was loaded with good stuff!

I like it even though some things didn't make sense. Like Rex getting shot in the chest by a sniper rifle and surviving as if he only had a small boo boo that some chicken soup and rest could heal. Or how Grievous walks around with a malfunctioning army instead of going solo.

But hey, the hole family thing and just screamed "Here you go Karen. This one is for you." xP
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:18 pm

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Okay, I just found my reason to pick up Season 2 of The Clone Wars when it's released on DVD.

Cut Luquaine!!!

He's definitely a Mando as far as I'm concerned, and he reminds me quite a bit of Mel Gibson's character, Benjamin Martin, from The Patriot (including the tied back hair).

Exiting Fan Girl mode now...

Carry on with your Obi-Wan/Satine debates. Laughing

I know!!! Even the mando for arm grab was nailed right there. I was expecting him to be a commando or an arc trooper. But he's just a regular trooper with Mando influence. That's how I see it ^^
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:22 pm

Ms.MaraJade wrote:
Okay, I just found my reason to pick up Season 2 of The Clone Wars when it's released on DVD.

Cut Luquaine!!!

He's definitely a Mando as far as I'm concerned, and he reminds me quite a bit of Mel Gibson's character, Benjamin Martin, from The Patriot (including the tied back hair).

Exiting Fan Girl mode now...

Carry on with your Obi-Wan/Satine debates. Laughing

Damn you beat me to the review because I had to drive home, MMJ. lmao

But yeah. The double-feature was definitely a good one, even if the second episode was better than the first. (Though there was a little torture in the first one, and it was of a Jedi... Razz)

I just wish it had gone into more detail about how Cut met his wife and what had happened to the real father (since genetics/time-wise having Cut as the father is impossible). But it was still an episode that makes you stop and think about the clones and their choices (or rather the usual lack thereof) kinda like the traitor episode (from last season? I can't remember).


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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:23 pm

And FR got in there before me too because I'm a slowpoke and can't think of what to say. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:24 pm

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Then the second episode... well THAT one was loaded with good stuff!

Glad someone else besides me had something good to say for once about an episode in this series. Laughing

Oh, and I'm just taking the episode above at face value. I don't want to try to put my mind around why human and Twi'leks can suddenly have children and why the kids are aged older than they possibly could be. That would open way too many debates, and we have our hands full right now with them. But, if this episode was to be a nod to Karen Traviss' work, then I'm happy about that. Sure, it was a bit slighted, but it was...ACKNOWLEDGED!! Woot!
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:26 pm

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Then the second episode... well THAT one was loaded with good stuff!

Glad someone else besides me had something good to say for once about an episode in this series. Laughing

Oh, and I'm just taking the episode above at face value. I don't want to try to put my mind around why human and Twi'leks can suddenly have children and why the kids are aged older than they possibly could be. That would open way too many debates, and we have our hands full right now with them. But, if this episode was to be a nod to Karen Traviss' work, then I'm happy about that. Sure, it was a bit slighted, but it was...ACKNOWLEDGED!! Woot!

They're obviously not his kids. But they probably took to calling him "daddy" because they were so young.
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:28 pm

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They're obviously not his kids. But they probably took to calling him "daddy" because they were so young.

That's what I originally thought, too, and that is perfectly fine for me. Very Happy

Just enjoying my first "happy" in 2010!! Laughing

Man, I'm a geek. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:30 pm

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They're obviously not his kids. But they probably took to calling him "daddy" because they were so young.

That's what I originally thought, too, and that is perfectly fine for me. Very Happy

Just enjoying my first "happy" in 2010!! Laughing

Man, I'm a geek. Razz

I totally understand, vod. If only they had rung in the new year with Mandos. But that's clearly too much to ask from them so I'll settle for the nice clone action we got instead. XD
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PostSubject: Re: The Clone Wars   Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:10 pm

Mesh'la Runi wrote:
Ms.MaraJade wrote:
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Then the second episode... well THAT one was loaded with good stuff!

Glad someone else besides me had something good to say for once about an episode in this series. Laughing

Oh, and I'm just taking the episode above at face value. I don't want to try to put my mind around why human and Twi'leks can suddenly have children and why the kids are aged older than they possibly could be. That would open way too many debates, and we have our hands full right now with them. But, if this episode was to be a nod to Karen Traviss' work, then I'm happy about that. Sure, it was a bit slighted, but it was...ACKNOWLEDGED!! Woot!

They're obviously not his kids. But they probably took to calling him "daddy" because they were so young.

And that has such a perfect Mando quality to it x)
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